Killercop has the right to subpoena witnesses; he
has the right to cross-examine. Those are the general contours
of what this kind of hearing entails. ~Judge Matz


THE COURT: You don't want Mr. Reed to be your
lawyer. Right?

THE DEFENDANT: He's not my lawyer, He's your counsel. I 
stressed that very closely in the letter to you
and I cited U.S. versus Mills. He's not my agent. He's
your agent.

THE COURT: Okay. Well, I think that's sufficient basis to 
stop right here. I don't think there is any need
for Mr. Reed to respond. And the extent to which you and he
had a difference of opinion as to whether and, if so, to
what extent you've cooperated before, I relieved him in
large measure as a result of your refusal to communicate
with him.

THE DEFENDANT: That's exactly what I'm talking about. 
Exactly. You removed him because he said that I refused to 
assist him at all, on October 26. That's a lie
I'd like a chance to refute that.

THE COURT: Okay. Mr. -- we're not going to go
through that hearing again, Mr. Sutcliffe. I made findings
that based upon your own characterization of what any lawyer
who was your lawyer could do and and would not be permitted
to do and would not meet with your approval and whose
efforts on your behalf you would reject, I relieved him
ofhis duties. That ends it. That's my ruling. We are not
going into it any further. You have the basis on the record
to appeal me if you like, depending on what happens at the
trial.

Okay. There is no issue as to -- and no relevance
anymore and I don't think there is any basis for an issue as
to the accuracy of Mr. Reed's statements. Mr. Reed enjoys a
well-deserved reputation as an honorable, diligent and
careful lawyer, and I'm not going t o subject him or other
lawyers of that nature to fishing expeditions that are no
longer material or relevant to any of your rights in the
trial. That's my ruling. I'm not going to hear any
arguments about it. Okay. I think we're adjourned. 
I don't think there is anything that you need to report to the
prosecutor --

THE DEFENDANT: Your Honor, I --

THE COURT: -- I will issue --

THE DEFENDANT: -- can I leave my subpoenas here?

THE COURT: You can give your subpoenas to
-- - - Mr. Reed. I will issue --

THE DEFENDANT: I don't trust him with -- I don't
even trust him with a piece of paper of mine. You
understand me?

THE COURT: We will not serve your subpoenas.

THE DEFENDANT: I'm not asking you to serve my
subpoenas. I'm just telling you I'm not giving this man a
shred of paper. He's already stolen my paper from that day
on the hearing.

THE COURT: Mr. Sutcliffe, I want you to understand something 
real simple. If they are third parties who you want to be 
subpoenaed, the one and only way that that will happen is 
not through me and not through my clerk. We are not process 
servers for anybody. You will give those
subpoenas to Mr. Reed --

THE DEFENDANT: I will not give those subpoenas to
Mr. Reed. He stole my copy and --

THE COURT: -- and he will give them to them to
the investigator.

THE DEFENDANT: You refused to give me any kind of
evidentiary hearing to investigate his material -- material
misstatements to this court upon which you relied to make a
ruling against me

THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Sutcliffe, by your choice,
I want you to understand, these people --

THE DEFENDANT: No, he's not my choice. He's your
choice of agent. You said our relationship has become
untenable.

THE COURT: -- and I'm not going to permit that.
And I'm telling you if you want to get subpoenas served,
there is one and only one way and I'm not going to repeat
it. I f you don't choose to give them to Mr. Reed, they
won't be served.

THE DEFENDANT : Okay.

THE COURT: All right. We're adjourned.