Sacramento Police Department - Stop Brutalizing Citizens!

Help Stamp Out Rampant Police Brutality & Government Corruption!

It is my beleif that law enforcement officers and goverment officials who are corrupt are the total scum of the earth. We need to pass a law that states:

"Any law enforcement officer or government official who breaks the law and is convicted of a crime should be automatically sentenced to double the normal prison sentence."

And there should be a three strikes law against these criminals as well!

Erik Victor Dahman

Responses:

From: Mark <builder@cnct.com>
Subject: Another one for your Response Page
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:00:32 -0400 (EDT)

Hello Erik,

Its interesting to me that more than a quarter of all the responses Ive seen to your plight have somewhere in them these phrases:

"yeah and whos the first one you call when you get in trouble.. A COP".

"you wouldnt last ten minutes without police"

"and i bet you call the cops whenenver your little ass gets in trouble"

Now lets see.. isnt this an exercise in stupidity to say that? OF COURSE the first one you call when you get in trouble is a cop.. **THATS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR* THATS EXACTLY what Police were created for, to protect the public when they need it. Why shouldnt one call the police when they have a problem, after all , THEY pay for the police! Why not use the very office they pay for with their tax money?

As for not lasting 10 minutes wihout police... Im sorry, but.. I think I would last quite alot longer than 10 minutes. If I had some little punk-ass gang banger wanna be come up to me and try to rob me, they'd be picking his brains out of the cracks on the sidewalk. BUT.. since we do live in a world that has LAWS (novel ceoncept for police officers, huh) we do have to call them. Id be MORE THAN WILLING to be in charge of my own protection, without having to call the law for every little thing. BUT, if I decide to blow away that punk stealing my car, *I* would end up in jail for murder (sadly enough). So YES, dumbass, I would call the cops.

I think Erik got the short end of the stick (thankfully it wasnt literally, as in the case of a Haitian in New York City). To the mental deficient who said that his/her father was a police officer and that they should keep smart aleck comments quiet if they didnt want to get beat... YOU MORON! Where in the Constitution does it say Law Enforcement Officers are entitled to assault people who talk back to them? Ibet if your father stopped a car for something, and somehow ended up getting shot by the person he stopped, you'd change your tune. I mean, after all, your father probably said something smart alecky, and DESERVED being shot. Isnt that what YOUR OWN line of thinking is?

Police Brutality, in *ANY FORM* at all, should not and CAN NOT be tolerated. Its unwarranted, unneccsary, unproductive, and untrustworthy. Its also ILLEGAL.

From: Ookiecop <Ookiecop@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:45:18 EDT
To: policebrutality@hotmail.com
Subject: web page

If you think you were so "wronged" by the police, why did you plead guilty? I know that if I was truly innocent there's no way I'd plead guilty! You complain about the police treating you poorly, but how were they supposed to know that you had "just met" the person driving the car? For all they knew you had just robbed the business you came out of and your getaway driver took off, almost injuring an officer. On top of that you say they "put you in an armlock, and I got out of it". Why? Why even try and get out of it? If you felt that you hadn't done anything wrong, why not cooperate with the police? Just like all of these kind of stories I've heard, you only give your slant and then act like you are some innocent little lamb. Your true feelings shine through, especially the large banner at the bottom for "Killercop". You are just another borderline personality who can't stand the fact that there's people out there that have power over you. You couldn't do 10 minutes as a cop, you obviously have no self control.

Last--why don't you just get over this if if happened so long ago? Why revel in it and re-live it? GET A LIFE!!!

From: Ceal714 <Ceal714@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:22:56 EDT
To: policebrutality@hotmail.com
Subject: monkey gone to heaven

hello,

this is christina one last time, i was just wondering if you have done any reading on police brutality, if you haven't i suggest you read Justice in Everday Life; the way it really works By Howard Zinn. It's an old book but it is very informative and sadly enough although it is old is pretty much is still on the mark to this day of what really happens. it talks about the police, courts, prisons, etc., etc.

From: Ceal714 <Ceal714@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:36:54 EDT
To: policebrutality@Hotmail.com
Subject: tony's theme

my name is christina, i'm doing a essay for a magazine on police brutality. i have been a victim of police brutality but i do not just want to tell me own story i want to tell the world that this happens everywhere, not just in the city, not just in some slum, this happens everywhere. i read your site and i just wanted to know if there's any more that you know, stories, contacts that i can find so that i can make my essay complete and informative. reply at this email or ceal@hotmail.com whichever is more convenient. thanks

christina

To: policebrutality@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:49:38 +0000 Subject:
Subject: Police Brutality..
From: richndenver@juno.com (Arapahoe SO Cadet)

my question:

<< should the media not report all police brutality as well because someone might get upset and go out and kill a cop?>>

(if he has the original email, I will post it.)

Response from: richndenver@juno.com (Arapahoe SO Cadet)

Let me tell ya one thing about the media..they like to MAKE Police Brutality out of very petty situations which arnt really brutality but just the officer trying to get the "suspect" to cooperate,for instance here in Denver the Gill Webb case..he had just stolen a car and i used to live RIGHT by this intersection so i know what its like..its very steep hill.. he came over the hill doing about 80 Mph in the shiny new mustang he just stole..comes up to federal blvd. and decides he doesnt want to stop..well coming through that intersetcion is a 2 day denver cop with his FTO (field training officer) and SMACK!!! the FTO was driving and wasnt hurt,but the officer (i forget his name) who was the passenger wasnt so lucky..he was in an intstant comma.(died a few days later) .well they get the suspect out of the car..and by this time the news crew is on scene..and even though gill webb had broken his neck in the accident (or injured it anyway,which was later blamed ont he cops doing it) he was refusing to go..well good 'ol Channel 2 news man got on film one officer come up and nudge (not even a real kick) webb in the leg and he was also trying to jump away from the EMT's,well when the African American crowd saw this on the 10 o'clock news all of sudden one EMT is Fired,one suspeneded and an officer under investigation and Geraldo is on TV comparing this to the Rodney King case,so the media has a tendacy to blow things WAY out of proportion as proved in this case...by the way what happened in your case..why did the officers do that to you..also what year did it happen? -Rich

MY RESPONSE: Why did the cops torture me? I don't really know why they treat anyone like an animal, but due to the fact that the cop was sweating and grinning while beating me and was surprised that I asked, "you LIKE THIS don't you?" It Seems to me that this man has a few rocks loose and the department has a little fun with it too.

Please read the story before commenting on it!!!

The YEAR this happened is at the very beginning of my story...

erik

From: "Yve Skapnit" <skapnit@hotmail.com>
Subject: corruption
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 13:10:45 PDT

Thank you for your web page. The responses you are receiving shows there is a real!! problem with our justice system.

I am being harassed by hate-groups and by some police.

Before I left my x, I reported that my son was being abused. After I left with my son, he told me of more abuses which enabled me to finally get an appointment with Child Protection Services.

Child Protection Services said I made everything up. Shortly after my x got custody of my son, my son, who was three years old, reported that he was beat with a hammer and thrown in a clothes dryer. One or two years later, my son reported that he was repeatedly hit on the soles of his feet, until he couldn't walk.

My x's uncle was a county judge. My x's mother, who abused my son, was an elementary school teacher for over 20 years. I was told, that the judge, who gave custody to my x, was a retiring judge from a different county.

I have not seen my son in over 5 1/2 years. The harassment I am going through has kept me too weak to fight for my son.

My carbon monoxide detector keeps going off. I believe, the tear gas that was used at Waco, has been used on me many times. And, the tear gas that burns the eyes has been used on me. The police and fire department are ignoring these crimes against me.

Just three weeks ago, I reported possible food tampering, to my baking soda, because my counselor repeatedly suggested that I do so.

The officers, who ran an analysis, said a fizzing reaction proved it was baking soda. I said of course there is baking soda in my baking soda. Seconds after I said this, the slender pink vial broke as an officer was holding it between his pointer finger and thumb.

The reporting officer said he was going to report there was no food tampering even though the vial broke only seconds after the fizzing reaction began. I said that test only determined that the sample contained baking soda. The reporting officer said I called him a liar. I said no, I only said the test was invalid.

As I was leaving, I told the officer food tampering was easy to get away with by the way that test was run. The officer called my paranoid.

The police report didn't even say that the vial broke. The police report said I was irrational and paranoid. The report was referred to the county mental health where I get counselling.

Apparently, the officers didn't know that my psychological evaluation, given to me by the same county, stated that I have superior logic. The officers thought I was going to be conned by their statement that a strong fizzing reaction proved it was baking soda. When I said of course there is baking soda in my baking soda, the officer just continued to be deceitful and broke the vial right in front of my face.

That same night, as I was getting ready to go to sleep, something came into the air of my apartment that caused sharp, intense, shooting pains that went up the back of my tongue. My tongue became numb and I had to lay on my belly to prevent myself from choking on my tongue. Our society might care if a female was beat black and blue, so corrupt people have set-up the system so they can take away my constitutional rights if they just simply call me crazy.

The corrupt people are united incredible well! So what are us victims waiting for!, we need to get together. Even though this response is long, I still have a lot more to say.

Feel free to Email me.

Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:21:00 -0700 From: maxine cusine <maxine1@VoyagerOnline.net>
Reply-To: maxine1@VoyagerOnline.net
To: policebrutality@hotmail.com Subject:
Re: POLICE BRUTALITY

maxine cusine wrote: Erik,

I have been reading some of the responses to the "experience" you had with the police department in your city. I don't have to remind you that stories like yours are repeated with regularity in every city in the United States. I have a similar one to tell but with a much different ending. My father, a 66-year-old, black man was killed here, in Chattanooga, Tennessee in 1983. At that time, he was the 5th black man to have died in police custody in a two-year period. The other 4 had died of shootings, beatings, and one died of being placed in something called a "hole" in the middle of August. He died of suffocation. The temperature in August can get up into the 100s here. After my father's death, the community waged a campaign against police brutality and for a while the "city fathers" pretended to put a stop to it. However, it started up again and we kept records of all of those deaths in custody until there were around 28 people who had died in custody in a ten-year period. One 25-year-old woman died because the jail guards refused her medical attention. She was never given a physical upon entering the facility, so they never discovered a tublar pregnancy. She suffered 19 hours begging for help. The jail guards were quoted as saying "We'll get to you when we finish our soup." When my father died, we were devasted. But to realize that you have no one to turn to can destroy you. The impact of understanding that it is really our own responsibility to seek justice, to hold the police and those responsibile for administering legal justice to the kind of standards we like to point to and quote as "great wisdoms" that have built this country, is really this highest form of citzenship. We have to make it real, what they said on paper. You see Erik, today another young black man was shot and killed by the cops here. He was the second in a week. The excuses are the same...they never change, but any excuse is better than none for some people. They will accept anything. Any wonder why 11-year-old children devalue human life! It is easy for people who have never felt a bullet from a cop's gun (or who have never sat up at night and tried to figure how inhuman a man or woman has to become to beat another human being to death) to excuse or justify the cop's position. What they fail to realize however, is that for every person who is beaten, shot, or killed by the police, for whatever reason, four or five other people ARE watching and looking and listening and questioning. The part of us inside of us can't help but identify with the suffering of another human being. Pretty soon, the way things are going in this country, there's going to be a whole lot more of us than there are of them. The tree remembers what the ax forgets! I sympathize with you, my brother; but, you are alive to tell the story. Perhaps that is why you are still alive. You will be disillusioned if you believe everyone understands. Most will probably acknowledge that what happened to you was wrong. Some will stick by you until they are threatened. A lot of them will blame you. A whole lot more will come up with the usual cliche about "a few bad apples" (it just gets sickening after a while). But a principled individual living in the US, with all of today's headlines, had better be afraid.

Ntozeka Shange

From: "Robert Romilly" <brom99@email.msn.com>
To: <policebrutality@hotmail.com>
Subject: you web site banner
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:03:48 -0400

I am have no objection to you writing this web site. I don't agree with violent police, although, I don't believe that police brutality is as rampant as you say. I am deeply disturbed that you allow the Killercop.com banner to appear on your site. This is a site that encourages the killing of police officers. This is totally disgusting and drags your web site down. I think that it diminishes the credibility of your website. Please, please consider removing this banner from your site. No site should advocate the killing of anyone, especially police.

you can e-mail me with a reply if you can. e-mail at the following Scooter_jr@usa.net

To: policebrutality@hotmail.com
From: "spade" <spade@sgi.net>
Subject: Yank
Date: Sun, 03 May 98 15:54:02 PDT

Erik:

Hi, I believe your story. I read stories like this every day. It is sad how these fucking cops can get away with shit like this! I was never in a situation with police beating me but I have friends whom have been brutalized by police. I won't mention their names but i'll sum up the story for you. Well there were 5 people in the car 4 male and 1 female. They got pulled over by the state police and they got smart with the fuckers and the police got upset and pulled all 4 guys out of the car and left the girl in the car crying. They beat the hell out of all 4 guys with their flashlights and then took them into the station. Each and eveyone of them got a fine. That is the end of my story....I want to tell you to go on with your plan and write your story on the web....I got a joke for you: How do you save a drowning cop?????????? Take your foot off his head(Ha-Ha) Well sorry for making this so long E-mail me anytime at:spade@sgi.net Yank

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From: "Mike" <mjackso1@maine.rr.com>
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To: <policebrutality@hotmail.com>
Subject: Brutality in the American Police Force
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:19:06 -0400

Hello, I am a sophomore at Deering High School in Portland, Maine. I'm writing an investigative research paper for my English class. I plan on going into acting, so it is very important to get a good grade in all of my English courses in order to get into a good acting school. My paper is on police brutality and corruption. I am very sympathetic to your cause and the incident which occured between you and the Sacremento PD. I have a very large family which includes many police officers in small towns as well as large cities along the Eastern seaboard (Boston, New York, Baltimore). I would like to add their shame and sorrow in this email, as well as their detest for all the scumbags in the police force. Well, anyway, any information other than that obtained on your site would be very helpful.

Thank you,

mjackso1@maine.rr.com

Josh

From: Nphil12 <Nphil12@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:51:21 EDT
To: policebrutality@hotmail.com
Subject: Wake up and smell the coffee

I've heard stories like yours a million times in my law enforcement career. Everybody wants to do what they want, whenever they want. I've worked at a football stadium for over 5 years with over 75,000 drunks just like you, who figure that it's their right to act like an asshole. You go to their seat 3 or 4 times to ask them to please curtail their drunken escapades just a little bit (after all, you just want to watch as much of the game as you can and get your check and go home) After the 25th person complains about your stupid drunken behavior, a couple of us poor slobs have the joyous duty of finally asking you to leave the stadium. Now of course, your swollen beer muscles and heavyweight mouth take over, and you figure you'll make a go of it. Of course your puny 150 lb ass is no match for us (We've conquered many like you before) and we're forced to drag you bodily out like the overgrown child you are and put you in jail. Now of course you're traumatized by this experience and want to blame everybody in the world for this but the person who is really at fault (YOU). Then we have to put up with the bullshit of your petty ass lawsuits and whining complaints. I have more respect for a bank robber. At least he does the crime and doesn't bitch about the time. Either obey the law, or accept the consequences. Choke it down, deal with it, get on with your life. I can't say for sure if what you say happened is true or not, but the bottom line is, you started the dance.

From: Stewmie <Stewmie@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:18 EDT
To: policebrutality@hotmail.com
Subject: My paper

I use your backround, and your dripping blood animation on a paper I had to write for schol, thanks a lot.

From: Shoebaka <Shoebaka@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:15:40 EST
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: No Subject

You sound like an ass hole and iam sure you brought this on your self. I wonder what your reaction would be if someone spit in your face , iam sure you would just turn the other cheek, not.

MY REPLY?

Listen Shoebaka... I NEVER SPIT in anybody's Face!!! Read the story!

Even if a cop gets spit on... that dosen't give the cop the right to hit back.

Other cops that responded here believe that a cop has the right to beat someone for name-calling... I guess the Police Academy (or childhood for that matter) never taught these cops about "sticks and stones will brake my bones but names will never hurt me."

And I NEVER even Called the cop a name.

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:59:33 -0400
From: Burt Hill
Organization: 40N80W or Thereabouts
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Police State, Police Nation

Sucks, don't it ? I have a newsclipping of a student from Boston that was arrested, convicted, sentenced, exiled, et cetera, for intimidating police with weapons. Lost his scholarship, lost his career, et cetera et cetera. Years, I mean YEARS, later, he came into possession of a photo of his arrest. The weapons ? An armload of books that he was carrying. Police are beating the crap out of him, in the picture, and he's carrying dangerous weapons ... books .... books for Christ sake. O yeah, his free left hand ? Covering his face, trying to remain recognizable. For what it's worth, he's right handed, the books are within his right arm (as a load), and his left hand is covering his face. No one inititiates a conflict from a disadvantage, i.e. contrary to a natural right handed advantage, which should go without saying. I include it for clarity,

Again, YEARS later, I mean YEARS later, he confronted the police officer that screwed his career, discussed these details, including the photograph. The police officer ? Just laughed in his face and closed the door. They do it because they can and they love it.

I still have the clipping. I'll look it up, scan it, reference it (so you can confirm it from the Boston newspaper), and EMail it to you or give you a URL to access it. Yeah, I have my own story. The Pennsylvania State Police murdered my father and later tried to murder me. I was lucky. All I got was a conviction for 4 counts of aggravated assault including assault with a deadly weapon. Final ajudication: simple assault. I listened to testimony indicating I stole my own car, trespassed on my own property, and broke into my own building. I discussed this with a lot of people. Conclusion: jury figured you must have been guilty of SOMETHING or they would never have arrested you. Sound familiar ? The Pennsylvania State Police version ? Four counts felony arrest and conviction. Period. The Pennsylvania State Police like to leave out the part that final conviction was exclusively simple assault.

The law enforcement and prosecutorial chorus: 'You brought this all on yourself'. Interesting, 2000 miles away I live, and 'l.e.' and 'p.c.' have the same canned response to any questioning of their activities. I have 'boot prints' on the court orders we spent years trying to get enforced. I have court orders expressing findings of ownership of property, findings of usage of property, and findings in compliance with other ordinances of property. To negate these real property rights, access was blocked by law enforcement.

Law enforcement is bound by law to enforce court orders when so ordered.

Instead, the Pennsylvania State Police, under guise of color, prevented me, forever and unlawfully, from ever accessing, using, or enjoying my property, for life. The District Attorney, in closing arguments, proclaimed, 'Mr. 'x' should have SHOT Mr. (me) and then we (the DA and the jury) wouldn't have to be here'. Interesting that the DA did not refer to 'Mr. 'x' as a police officer or any member of law enforcement, but only as 'Mister'.

Interesting that the final order 'found' that 'only a personal disagreement existed between (Mr. x) and the defendant'. Interesting that the defendant (me) did not know and had never met 'Mr x' ... except in the dark of night and in the court room.

For all my adult life, I have eluded the criminal element, avoided situations that would make me a victim of crime ... but I was unable to elude corrupt law enforcement personnel. In fact, they sought me out, watched me, pursued me until they could make this fraudulent case against me ... instead of enforcing any or all of those court orders in my favor, proclaiming by court order my rights. The Pennsylvania State Police sought only to negate and destroy my rights

Quick Summary:

1.1976 - Father murdered by Pennsylvania State Police (allegation, but PSP officer is serving 10 to 20 years for another murder)

2. 1981 - self - convicted simple assault for stealing own car, trespassing on own property, and breaking into own building.

3. 1996 - driven from personal residence by 'local police' - this gives PSP a 100 per cent batting average in barring me, for life, from 5 separate real estate properties - the bastards (politicos) still collect and accept the taxes, though.

4. 1997 - for the first time since 1971, 25 years, whatever, no one at the Federal, State, County, Township, or City level took any unlawful action against me.

Well, thank you, wonderful omnipotent government for allowing me ONE year of peace and tranquility. For this, your humble servant, me, bows, stands on bended knee, throws himself prostrate, and praises you with a single digit salute. Two words, Pennsylvania, and you know what they are.

Thanks, Eric ... keep the Web Site active ... sorry you ended up in the shit. Thanks for posting the replies from the 'defenders of the omnipotent police state'. We know who they are. We outnumber them ... stands to reason ... one 'guise of color offense' by one officer is known by you and your entire family ... time we get to know one another.

For now, keep my EMail address anonymous, but go ahead, use my name, Burt Hill. The PSP know exactly who I am. Two words for them, too. Let the bastards shoot me. Lord knows they've been looking for an excuse for 25 years. I'll try to wear my T Shirt with the red target on the back that says 'property owner'. Wouldn't want them to accidentally shoot a criminal, now, would we ?

Burt Hill

From: Rjcjr96 <Rjcjr96@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:16:49 EDT
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: SUPPOSED BEATING

I HAVE REAE YOUR ACCOUNTS OF YOUR "BEATING". IF YOUR STORY MENTIONED OF ONE OR TWO POLICE OFFICERS PRESENT WHILE YOU WERE BEING BEATEN I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE IT, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU MAKE MENTION OF SEVERAL WITNESSES I HAVE AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TIME BELIEVING IT. IT SOUND LIKE TO ME YOU TWO RETARDS WERE PROBABLY LUCKY YOU WERE NOT SHOT FOR NEARLY RUNNING OVER THE ORIGINAL OFFICER. THEN WHEN YOU GET OUT AND SIT ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR I IMAGINE (FROM READING YOUR ACCOUNTS) THAT YOU WERE BEING A RETARD AND NOT COMPLYING WITH THE ORDERS GIVEN TO YOU. I HAVE HEARD OF SEVERAL PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED FOR RESISTING ARREST ONLY, ONCE THE POLICE HAD A LEGAL REASON TO DETAIN YOU AND YOU FAILED TO COMPLY, YOU ARE RESISTING ARREST. AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO KEEP YOUR ARM FROM GOING BEHIND YOUR BACK THAT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF THE POLICE WANTED TO "BEAT" YOU THEY WOULD HAVE SLAMMED YOU TO THE GROUND IMMEDIATELY.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, FROM YOUR ACCOUNT, YOU AND YOUR NEW FRIEND NEARLY SERIOUSLY INJURED AN OFFICER, THEN RAN FROM THE POLICE. WHEN YOU WERE FORCED TO STOP BECAUSE OF THE TRAIN YOU EXIT THE CAR PRIOR TO BEING ASKED TO THEN FAIL TO FOLLOW OFFICERS ORDERS. IF THE BEATING IS AS YOU SAY IT IS THEN I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THEIR ACTIONS, HOWEVER, IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT YOU ARE A PERSON WITH A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH AUTHORITY AND PROBABLY WERE TREATED THE WAY YOU NEEDED TO BE TREATED.

From: SFaheyk9@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:43:35 EST
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: chip

quite frankly you have a chip on your shoulder. I'd like to see the Police reports to see both sides of the story. Why would they supposedly beat you for no reason?

However you did an outstanding job on your graphics on Web page. I feel no reason to swear , everyone has an opinion.

Scott Fahey

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:08:50 +0000
From: David Meyer <david.meyer@wellsfargo.com>
Organization: Wells Fargo
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Fuck the Police!!

Anybody who thinks the police are their to protect them definitely has their head up their ass!! They are generally only interested in boosting their own egos, seeing their guns as an extension of their puny little dicks!!

Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 03:33:29 -0800
From: "Spata, John" <SPATA.JOHN@email.mcclellan.af.mil>
Subject: police brutality To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com

erik, get a life!!!!!! you need to spend more time on improving your life and not resisting arrest.

From: "STACY FOSTER" <jsfost@texramp.net>
To: <pb@sanfranciscobay.com>
Subject: Tom, read up on your laws.
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:24:54 -0600

Tom, from Boston, As a police officer I see a lot of things. And constantly I am amazed at people's ignorance of the laws. As for your alleged brutality cuffs 90% of the time are going to feel like they're to tight. The fact is they are going to hurt no matter how lightly they are put on you. They were not built for comfort. About the Miranda rights not being read to you, they don't have to be read unless they are going to ask you some incriminating questions. They had no reason to ask you any because the crime was committed in the view of a police officer. Also Quotas, whether they be for tickets or arrests or whatever are illegal. Suggestions of quotas by Law Enforcement Supervisors are terms for immediate dismissal. Next time you feel like venting, learn what you are talking about first.

From: t-lo@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:39:58 -0500
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: police brutality

police brutality should be 100% intolarable! if we cant feel safe around police, what do we need them for? theire job is to PROTECT not HARM !!!

From: pdtv@iswt.com
X-Sender: pdtv@iswt.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:12:32 -0800
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: police abuse

I'm glad that you have told your story about your experience with police brutality. These stories need to be told. People ARE listening and they do care. The negative feedback that you receive most likely comes from corrupt police officers who have perpetrated abuses upon citizens. Continue with your efforts to publicize police abuses. The newspapers and tv magazines are quite full these days with "dirty" cop stories. I am afraid that these abuses are becoming "standard issue." Everytime that you receive a negative response, remember, you are rubbing someone who probably is guilty-as-hell. These bastards need to know that their time to pay for their abuses is coming soon. This can only happen if concerned citizens take action and never give up. Don't ever give up. One day I'll tell you my story. Stay diligent and persistent. Dirty cops can be brought down. I know. It took two years, but, with bulldog tenacity I am now reaping the sweet rewards of my own persistence against a "dirty" cop. Tomorrow, another corrupt cop is going to jail. It was worth the long fight. Hang in there friend.

From: Family.mainframe@netchannel.net
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:50:03 -0800 (PST)
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com

sorry to hereof such a sad and sick incident. i guess they can do whatever thry want. a sure sign of communism.

From: viper41@juno.com
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 13:16:02 -0600
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com Subject:
Police Brutality/your beating

Erik, My father is a police officer and I know of how things are handled and how a cop can have such a short temper. When a suspect mouths off to them the way that you did, it only sets them off. I would deduce that when you did this you were younger and stupider and you have learned from your mistakes and will think twice before being a smartelek to a police officer in the future. Not to say that his actions were right, but in a way you had it coming, don't be a smartass in the future and you can save yourself an ass kicking. Oh yeah, by the way, anyone can get out of a police armlock, it's just a matter of flexibility and how well the officer has a hold on you. So, yes, you could easily have slipped out of it.

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:46:45 -0500
From: SCOTT ST JOHN <irs100@ibm.net>
Reply-To: irs100@ibm.net
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: police brutality

Hi Erik just a short note to tell you I not only believe you but have had a similar experience. I am starting a Real Audio site and will be reading some of the stories I found on your site and will be interviewing police officers and government officials about police brutality and governmental control over the citizens of the United States. Why are we losing are rights as citizens, because the sheep are being led to slaughter and they can't even realize it. Bend over and take it seems to be the new national anthem, well Im sick of it and I hope the rest of the country is too. Remember the Boston tea party , well it was started by a bunch of so-called fanatics. You can only suppress the truth for so long before it blows up in your face.

btw I've had many years first hand experience working with the police and became quite disillusioned

Todd L. Moss Director of Special Investigations Insight research Systems Inc.

e-mail irs100@ibm.net or todd930@aol.com

From: FMCB <FMCB@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:32:16 EST
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Brute Force

There has tobe something done with those bad apples. Bad cops are really out there! I know for a fact, prosecuters also.

From: "L.A. Jacobson" <saphire137@hotmail.com>
To: erik@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Your Webpage
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:20:15 PST

Has it ever occured to you that the negative responses you receive from your page is because your whinning cowardly page is just too pathetic to ignore? POINT: If you chose your friends more carefully, this would probably not have happened. POINT: When in custody, it's probably not a good idea to resist arrest. POINT: It's not impossible to escape any arm or headlock, it's just IDIOTIC to try it with an officer. POINT: You make yourself out to be an upstanding citizen, but I'll wager this isn't your only run-in. POINT: When in handcuffs keep your smart mouth closed.(that's a no-brainer) POINT: This happened a long time ago, but you STILL haven't bothered to post the other side of the story because it's probably only partially true. POINT: The prisons are full of guilty people who say they didn't do it.

I could go on for another few days, but because you are one in a society of victims,you will never get it because you are so busy licking your "wounds" that you will never pull your head out of your ass and see that your own actions and choices put you in the hands of some people who were capable of hurting you. Accept that you made some bad choices, change your future decisions, and let this go. What happened to you was probably MUCH less than you claim. If you react harshly during a routine traffic stop, expect to get a ticket. If you are beligerent, expect to be arrested.

I grew up in a house where I kissed my father good-night each evening knowing that some fool like your friend might kill him. Suck it up you little whiner.

From: Shoebaka <Shoebaka@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:29:08 EST
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: No Subject

I know several police officers from different cities and I find it had to believe that any of them would do something like this unprovoked. There are some officers that should not be wearing the badge but just because there is one or tow bad apples does not mean there all bad. The officers I know are very hard working and dedicated to their job. How come you dont make a stink about the people that spit in there face and beat and stab or kill them.you have to remember they are human to , if you want respect you have to show it. I have rode with officers and seen first hand some of the abuse they are subject to and the restrain ant they have. If it were me I would have shot someone a long time ago. Next time some scum bag harms a member of your family who are you going to call, the police is my guess.

From: "demyth" <demyth@best1.net>
To: <pb@sanfranciscobay.com>
Subject: Slaves of the tyrants
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:34:55

DEAR FRIEND:

THE REASON I CAME UPON YOUR SITE WAS BECAUSE I RECENTLY HAD A RUN-IN WITH THE MAN. THAT SQUEEZED THE CUFFS WITH SO MUCH POWER. AND THEN MY THREE-HUNDRED POUND GIRTH PRESSING UP AGAINST THEM IN A SQUAD CAR DID THE TRICK. THE DOCTOR SAID THAT I NOW HAVE SOME SORT OF NERVE DAMAGE IN MY HANDS...MAYBE PERMANENT. INDIVIDUALS CAN WRITE VOLUMES ON THEIR EXPERIENCES INVOLVING THESE SISSIES. I KNOW I CAN, NO DOUBT. ONCE THEY BUSTED MY DOOR DOWN AND DEMANDED TO SEE MY YOUNG CHILDREN (THEN UP TO 12 YEARS OLD) COMPLETELY NAKED BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN A REPORT OF A BABY CRYING AND THEY HAD TO CHECK FOR CHILD ABUSE. THE TRUTH IS, MY CHILDREN WERE SINGING AND DANCING IN THE BACK YARD WHEN THEY ARRIVED (STUDIO CITY, CA). PEOPLE CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE JEWS HAVE BECOME TOO FAMILIAR WITH SUCH TREATMENT. I DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOU FOR YOUR WEBSITE. WOULD YOU PLEASE HELP ME FURTHER AS I AM SEEKING FOR LEGAL ADVICE IN THIS REGARD WITH MY HANDS. I'M NOT GOING TO LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE FRUITS OF THEIR PERVERTED HEADS ANY LONGER. I MERELY WANT TO SUE THEM, BUT THE ATTORNEYS IN MY CENTRAL CA COAST AREA (PASO ROBLES) MOSTLY SEEM TO NOT WANT TO TACKLE A GOVERNMENTAL SUIT...ALMOST AS THOUGH THEY'RE AFRAID TO KICK THE COP'S ASSES WITH THE LAW AND A JUICY SUIT. WHERE IN MY LOCAL AREA CAN I FIND AN ATTORNEY, TELL ME PLEASE, WITH BIG BALLS...EVEN IF IT'S A WOMAN.

SINCERE THANKS AND BEST REGARDS,

JOSHUA

DEMYTH@BEST1.NET

From: PAPA-J@webtv.net
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:17:31 -0800
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: IS THERE REALLY JUSTICE

MY NAME IS JEFFERY VINCENT, I ALSO WAS A FORMER INMATE IN THE SACRAMENTO COUNTY JAIL WHERE I WAS ASSAULTED BY NOT ONE BUT NINE OFFICERS WHILE IN HANDCUFFS AND SHACKLES. I WAS PLACED IN THE PROSTRAINT CHAIR FOR MANY HOURS WITHOUT EATING OR USING THE RESTROOM. EVER SINCE THIS HAPPENED I STILL EXPERIENCED PAIN IN MY BACK, HANDS AND FREQUENTLY EXPERIENCED HEADACHES DUE TO THE BEATINGS I RECEIVED WHILE I WAS SERVING MY TIME. 12-02-96 A SHAKEDOWN WAS CONDUCTED ON THE 8th FLOOR WEST WING IN THE 300 POD LOWER TIERS. THE INMATES ALL WERE ESCORTED BY THE OFFICERS TO THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, WHERE I RECEIVED A ASS KICKING BY THREE OFFICERS.WHICH I HIRED A INVESTIGATOR WHO HAS INFORMATION ON THIS CASE.THE INMATES WERE STRIPPED SEARCH BY THE POLICE WHILE OTHER OFFICERS SEARCHED CELLS, THEN WE WAS INSTRUCTED TO RETURN TO THIEF AND LOCK DOWN.WHEN I APPROACHED MY CELL SAW THAT ALL MY LEGAL WORK, TRANSCRIPTS, PICTURES AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES WERE THROWN OUT OF MY CELL AND DESTROYED. AS I GOT NEAR MY CELL DOOR I SEEN MY LEGAL WORK BEING AS TRASH IN THE MIDDLE OF FLOOR IN THE DAY ROOM AREA SO I ASK THE OFFICER THAT WAS NEAR MY CELL DOOR"IS IT OK FOR ME TO PICK UP MY STUFF?" HE DID NOT RESPOND TO MY VERBAL REQUEST. AT THAT TIME I REACHED DOWN TO PICK UP MY BELONGINGS,AND AT THAT TIME THE OFFICER ATTEMPTED TO PUNCH ME AT THAT TIME.SO I BACKED UP IN MY CELL TO STOP HIM FROM TRYING TO KICK MY ASS,THEN HE CAME INTO MY CELL AFTER ME AND SUBSEQUENTLY STRUCK ME ONCE IN THE FACE,AND THE OTHER OFFICERS CAME IN ASSISTING HIM IN WHIPPING MY ASS AS WELL AND THEY CONTINUE TO KICK AND PUNCH ME WITH A CLOSED FIST WHILE I WAS HANDCUFFED AND SHACKLED. I WAS ALSO DRAG FROM MY CELL AND THEY STARTED BEATING ME ONCE AGAIN.AT THAT TIME OF THE INCIDENT IT WAS ALSO OBSERVED BY OTHER INMATES . THEN THE OFFICERS ESCORTED ME TO THE CLASSROOM WHERE I WAS PLACED IN THE PROSTRAINT CHAIR. I WAS PLACED IN THE CHAIR AROUND 11:25pm AND REMOVED AT 6:45 am WITHOUT EATING OR USING THE RESTROOM. {I WAS HUNGRY AS HELL}AT THAT TIME I WAS ESCORTED BACK TO MY CELL WITHOUT INCIDENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

SINCERELY

JEFFERY VINCENT

PLEASE REPLY

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:56:21 -0500
From: Newton Lilavois <newton@jgangi.com>
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Respect due!!

What's up erik! I want to give you 'nough respect for sharing your experience with the world. I admire your spirit and courage. Don't let anyone stop you on your noble mission to inform the world. Remember the ignorant outnumbers the righteous. Don't let those mutherfuckers discourage you!

-"..the struggle continues!"

Amaretto

From: LSPAC70@concentric.net
To: erik@sanfranciscobay.com
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:33:28 +0000
Subject: Your Story

Hello my name is Joe and I have just read your story. I am not sure when this incident occured but I would like to say that I am truly sorry. As I sat and read your report it sickened me and I could feel almost what you were going through, well not actually because it must have been terribly worse for you. I just wanted to take the time and recognize what was done to you and that I this kind of stuff happens everyday and there is nothing we can do about it. The police have gotten to big to stop and because of ignorant brain washed people who believe the police would never do anything like what happened to you have brought this country to their knees to them. I still believe that ALL police are evil. They may not all assault people or committ crimes but if asked to not say anything about seeing another fellow cop committing a crime I am sure he would agree and not say a damn thing. So again I just wanted to write to you letting you know that I care what happened to you and I believe it. Please message me back I would like to know what you have to say. Thank you and goodbye.

~JoE~

From: ascendant@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:23:01 -0500
Reply-To: ascendant@ibm.net
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: net war against SPD

Erik, quit wasting your time contacting SPD on the net. Firstly, that officer probably had nothing to do with your problem. Secondly, you come off looking like a fixated fool when you get into that kind of contest. I sent you an email on how to deal with your case properly. It appears you have been trying to wage a campaign against the SPD on the NET and that is not going to solve a thing. Get going and take real steps for reporting and dealing with the incident and then GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE ERIK. I say that with all earnestness. Don't let that one incident in your life become the ruling criteria for life for life itself, if you do then you let them win. Take your case to the ACLU and if there is anything that can be done it will be. If not, let the ACLU file it for future reference and get on with your life son. There are bigger and better things to do than dedicate your life to harrassing people who very likely didn't even have anything to do with your incident, and certainly acting out against the wrong people makes you guilty of exactly the kind of behaviour you are complaining about. Forget them and think about YOU. Also, and I know you won't do it but I will suggest it anyway, get some victim counselling Erik, you very plainly need it. And don't think it means anything that you need it, anyone involved in that kind of situation NEEDS it, even cops who are victimized get it so they don't get fixated on one single event in their life. You will be a better man for it if you do. If you would like to converse about what happened feel free to email me either at the one shown or this one which is checked daily:

ascendant@rocketmail.com

From: anon4@sanfranciscobay.com
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:02:39 -0500
Reply-To: ascendant@ibm.net
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: PB Page

Let me start out by saying this is a letter from me to you and not to the whole world. I don't really care to see it on your site, but I also realize you will do what you want to do. I will not be happy at all if I see my email address posted there. Well Erik I read your story and, not having been there to see said events, will give you a few thoughts. First, I am a medically retired Deputy Sheriff in the State of Wisconsin with 21 years of "street patrol" experiance. I have been spit on, shocked, stabbed, slugged, called every name in the book, run over with a motor cycle, had my neck broken, 3 vertebrea blown, my left knee pulverized, sand thrown in my eyes, shot at several times and had one of my best friends shot down to die in my arms from a drunken scumbag. And, that is just a few of the negative events of my career which ended when all of my accumulated injuries caught up with me. You might think I am one of those knot heads who think sending moronic responses to your story gets them some type of pleasure, but I am not. Of all those negative things that happened to me it was all made up for by having the honor to be able to say I have saved 3 lives absolutely, maybe even more. Those incidents are why I became a cop, not the negative ones. I can't say whether or not your story is all true or not, and niether can anyone else who wasn't there. I will say that your having consumed alcohol very likely has effected your view of what happened on that occasion. Persons under the influence of intoxicants often have perception problems along those lines. On the other hand I know for a fact incidents like what you describe do happen.That is the real problem with many police misbehavior complaints, there are no unbiased witnesses. That makes it very difficult to judge those cases. I have seen some people I feel had no business being law enforcement officers. And I don't mean a cop who just loses his temper from being assaulted and lets one swing fly or a slap. I have done that myself, and I turned myself in for it too, but thats another story. I am talking about persons who do not have the disposition for being law enforcement officers and that small percentage of persons who think being a cop is a license to be officious. I have seen those types at work and I didn't like what I saw. I also saw what happened to officers who "beat the drum" to loudly about what the "good ole boys" did. I saw one Deputy have his career ruined and called dishonest without ever once having any proof shown as to the charges. It is interesting for me to note that he was beating the drum about an incident I also reported but let go on advice of a senior person. That deputy wouldn't let go and it was only a month or so before he was accused of tampering with evidence and even though a lie detector backed up his pleas of innocence and his accusers were made up of those he had pointed fingers at in the past, he was kicked off the force. I also later found out one of his accusers, a ranking officer, was actually having an affair with that deputy's wife. That alone violated department regulations, but of course being a good ole boy nothing happened. I could tell many stories of things I thought were not right and I am sure these things happen on every single department in this country. Anyone who says they don't is either ignorant or a liar. Law Enforcement recruits from the public and even though screening occurs there is no way to be 100% effective in weeding out the all the chaff. On the other hand, the great majority of officers by far are honest hard working people who are doing their best at a very difficult job. So Erik, where does that leave us? We know some cops are "bad" but we also know that the majority of complaints made against officers are not founded. Unfortunately that leaves people with legitmate gripes in the lurch sometimes. I think your best bet would have been to see a good attorney to get a recommendation to someone who specializes in this type of case. It is a long drawn out affair, but it is meant to be that way to screen out those who really are not serious. Once you get a good attorney to look at your case he can obtain the officers past history and determine if he has had similar complaints. Usually people who act out on the job have a pattern of doing it over time. There are ways to deal with it, but you need the help of a proffessional. You might also check to see if there is an oversite group in your area that has compiled information on particular officers behavior. You also can use the freedom of information act to obtain all the records you need. If you seriously believe you were wronged then do something about it other than making a site on the net. The net has a lot of information on it and it can help you get what you need. I don't know if what happened really occurred the way you say it did, but I believe you believe it did and that is reason enough to pursue the case further. It maybe you were just plain drunk and you were'nt seeing straight and it may also be that you were seriously wronged. I lived in Sacramento for 17 years and I can't believe you couldn't get an appointment with the Sheriff himself if you tried. He is an elected official and therefore he serves at the whim of the public. He should be very interested in what his Deputies are doing in his name. Just make sure you are not wasting his time when you do it. Have all your ducks lined up in a row, and you might even consider having a good attorney look the case over and go with you. One other thing, what you described is a violation of civil liberties and you should contact your local American Civil Liberties Union representative and at least file a complaint with them. They often do keep records on individual area officers for future reference and they can give you a good honest idea of what your case looks like. Good luck to you no matter what your decision is. If you feel like letting me know what happens to your case that would be fine.

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:49:18 -0800
From: Mary Schriever <electronichome@geocities.com>
Reply-To: electronichome@geocities.com
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: (no subject)

As I read the comments in your guestbook, I notice two distinct types of responses from the law enforcement people. First are those who, while they may find your story flawed, nonetheless are civil and give a reasoned response. The second are those who use insults and rhetoric and seem to feel that citizens deserve to be roughed up if they don't show the proper respect. I would speculate that these people also respond accordingly on the street.

I personally haven't ever had an officer abuse me. Some are more polite than others, some have let me off on a ticket I deserved, others haven't. And I am always polite to them. But the idea that you are obligated to show them respect is erroneous. Any one working with the public, bank tellers, store clerks, etc., knows that human beings can be a rude and disrespectful group. I'm not defending this, but it's reality. And people in those jobs may not physically abuse you, no matter what kind of jerk you act like. I believe the same holds true for officers, who are mandated only to use force when necessary for reasons of safety and need to use only enough to subdue a suspect, and must not engage in behavior to humiliate another person.

A police officer is to make the arrest. He is not appointed to act as judge, jury, executioner. I know they may see a lot of terrible things and become disillusioned with the system, but perhaps then it's time to get a desk job.

The idea that innocent people won't plea bargain is ludicrous. The penalty you risk by going to trial is so much greater that there is a tremendous incentive to plead guilty to a greatly reduced charge. I'm sure police officers know this. It's evidenced even by police officers who have domestic abuse convictions. Now that they are facing losing their jobs, many are claiming they pled guilty to a lesser charge and that they actually did not committ the abuse. And in some cases it may be true, just as it is for other people. And we don't need to look any futher than Mark Furhman to know that some cops will committ perjury on the stand. They may believe the ends justify the means, and that the person is guilty and needs to be convicted but I think in the long run it undermines the system and the faith of the people in that system.

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:19:39 -0400
From: Randy Baker <rlb2@rogerswave.ca>
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: (no subject)

Hey,

I read your story and I really feel for ya...truth is life is unpredictable and certainly unfair. I wish only the best for you and hope you can do justice right!!!

your friend, take care

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 03:20:38 -0400
From: Dave Messenger <bandm@freeway.net>
Reply-To: bandm@freeway.net
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Brutal Cops

Hey little man

Try living just one day in a society without law officers. I bet you don't last till lunch.

You obviously spend too much time watching, and believing what you hear on TV. If a cop has to get a little physical, it isn't because he/she wants to, it is because he has to.

Grow up, find a hobby, and get off your high horse.

Blue Bulldog

From: ILvLcy1021 <ILvLcy1021@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:44:52 EST
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Drunk Criminal

Dear Drunkard,

I have seen stop signs with more intelligence then you. At least they serve a purpose. I know, you did nothing wrong. You just got drunk and got in the car with a drunk stranger. Ran from a police officer, RESISTED ARREST, bad mouthed authority, showed absolutely no respect for the law. You should consider yourself lucky. If I was there, I would have kicked the shit out of you. Maybe you should just stay home and get drunk, you lush. You obviously can't control yourself. You are the downfall of our society and an embarassement to your family. Why don't you do the world a favor and kill yourself!

My Response:

I certainly didn't talk to the police the way you are talking to me right now. And even if I did have an angry attitude (like yours), it gives NOBODY the right to strangle and torture ANYONE!

By the time all of this happened, I WASN'T Drunk... and I WAS NOT CHARGED with ANYTHING except "resisting arrest" (although "I" DID NOT resist... the driver did).

It seems to me that you GET OFF by talking to people this way.

Hope you KEEP YOUR COOL when the cops use a little excessive force on you.

Thank you for venting your anger and hostilities.

erik

LUCY RESPONDS:

Dear Drunkard,

How are you doing lush? I just wanted to write and remind you of how stupid and ignorant you are. How does it feel to be such a little puss. You sure do spend a lot of time pissing and moaning. It has been a decade you damn baby! "Da big bad police officer hurted me, boo hoo". Shut your damn mouth! You must have no balls at all. Take your licks and be thankful that that's all you got. You didn't have to go to the hospital did you? You disgust me. Go hide your miserable self at the bottum of a bottle. I guess that goes without being said.

MY LAST RESPONSE:

Until you have the balls to reveal your identity...

I will not respond

From: "B00389" <B00389@stedward.oxon.sch.uk>
To: <erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998

You deserved it you fucking loser!

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:01:32 -0800
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
From: von taylor <dnvtaylor@linkline.com>
Subject: RESPONCE TO YOUR STORY

POOR,POOR ERIK MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU! PLEASE PUT THIS IN YOUR WEB PAGE. I SEE IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE JAN,21st 1998. THATS STRANGE,OH WELL, THIS WHOLE THING SOUNDS WIERD! I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU NOT SHOWING MY E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANKS, NOW HOW ABOUT THIS AS A SOLUTION TO YOUR WOES? YOU BECOME THE OFFICER AND LET ME BECOME erik! O.K. NOW I'M DOING THE erik(SO INNOCENT) THING! DO YOU FOLLOW ME SO FAR? "NOW HOW WOULD( YOU/ officer) HONESTLY HANDLE ("ME/erik" YOUR HONEST ANSWER:-}}}(i'm sure) WILL BE APPRECIATED.

V.TALOR

From: "Jeremy Fritz" <ffdude69@primenet.com>
To: <pb@sanfranciscobay.com>
Subject: CRYBABY'S ON THIS SIGHT
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 03:45:41

I am a booking officer in a some what large city near Detroit Michigan. I have worked the road for 5 years before being suck as a booking officer. I have seen people that are guilty and innocent of crimes in which they were charged with. Law Enforcement is not a perfect science by any means, but if just one of the whiners would spend a short time as a cop ( dealing with the scum that we do), most people would "snap" and smack these dirtbags around. It takes a better person to do the job. So, in one sentence, quit your bitchin until you have walked in my shoes.

MY RESPONSE:

BOO HOO, YOU SMELL LIKE POO

And HIS RESPONSE:

Ya I know I do, It's because of where I work.

From: t-lo@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:39:58 -0500
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: police brutality

police brutality should be 100% intolarable! if we cant feel safe around police, what do we need them for? theire job is to PROTECT not HARM !!!

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:41:50 -0800
From: "doris n. parton" <dnparton@usit.net>
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: BS page

i just want you people to know that everyone has a right to bring criminal charges or civil charges(that means suing someone or something,for you punks, cry babies, and un-educated whiners posting on this site). the reason these brutality cases are usually un-sucessful is because they are un-founded and un-true. you people whining on this page are the bottom 1% of society and regarless of what you may think policemen would not ever even come in contact with you if you obeyed the law. FINALLY, to all whiners, know the law before you piss and moan to everyone. a policeman has the right to see your ID if he is talking to you, he has the right to investigate suspicious activity even if to his knowledge no law has been broken. the police are human beings and most people (99%) cops or not, will treat you as you treat them.

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:46:45 -0500
From: SCOTT ST JOHN <irs100@ibm.net>
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: police brutality

btw I've had many years first hand experience working with the police and became quite disillusioned

Todd L. Moss Director of Special Investigations Insight research Systems Inc.

e-mail irs100@ibm.net or todd930@aol.com

From: pdtv@iswt.com
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:12:32 -0800
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: police abuse

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:12:29 -0500
From: anonymous
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Your experiences with racist coppers

Hello,

I am trusting that you will respect my wish to remain anonymous, and not publish my name, Dept. name, or any other identifiers should you decide to use this missive, as I am currently a serving senior officer with my Police Service here in Canada. The way you were treated by SPD Officers was inexcusable conduct. As you were once on the job yourself, you know how easy it is to falsify a report. As well, it is TOO EASY to find fellow Officers to perjure themselves on your behalf when required.

I have seen the video of you being assaulted by LBPD Officers, (thugs actually, as they and their ilk are a disgrace to good Coppers EVERYWHERE). I am told that at the time of this incident, you were still on the job.

You are right when you say that those of European descent cannot understand the dynamics of being a person of Afro-Carribean descent, more specifically from a Policing point of view! (being policed that is). My parents are both Scottish, and just as our heritage is different, our life experiences have been different. One of my Constable's, who is of Afro-Carribean descent has said to me, "Inspector, if you were treated the way I was growing up, you'd be in prison right now"! I asked what he meant, and I guess I convinced him of my sincerity in wanting to know. He told me stories of discrimination at EVERY level, not just from Law Enforcement, that it made me sick to my stomach!

I applaud your efforts to root out bad cops everywhere, I personally have caused 11 Constable's and 2 Sgt.'s to lose their badges, and 5 of them to spend time in Federal Penitentiaries for their misconduct. And I DO NOT regret any of it. I have, in 24 years on the job, NEVER met a criminal who swore an oath to uphold the law! Beating subjects, racist remarks and behaviour, and unprofessional conduct should never be countenanced. If I may make a small suggestion sir, and I will understand if you do not wish to implement it, perchance a few more examples of Coppers who actually acted professionally in dealing with you could be added?

I apologize to you on behalf of HONEST and PROFESSIONAL Law Enforcement Personnel everywhere. I wish you continued success with your work.

Yours faithfully,

Anonymous

From: XBZS24A@prodigy.com (MR TIMOTHY S HUNT)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:47:03, -0500
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Police Brutality

Erik, In October of 1995, my husband was brutally assaulted by more than 20 Minneapolis police officers, I know first hand what goes on. They handcuffed him, placed him,( unharmed), face down on the sidwalk, and then commenced in beating him. Those that did not take part watched, or did crowd control. All because he had gone in the wrong door. Until the day comes that people remove their heads from their rears and realize that this is not a racial, religious,sex-orientated, or "cause' crime, nothing will change. My husband is a 265 Lb. white male. This can happen to you, me , or your Grandma. The officers acroos the country that induldge in this behavior have no reasons for what they do. They simply do it because they can. The day that these cops are treated exactly the same as any other criminals, may be the day that some of them wake up and realize that this behavior is not acceptable. I defy someone to give me an example another profession where your co-workers, bosses, and local Government will cover, excuse, and justify such blatant abuse of the public! I could go on forever, this incident has destroyed our lives. Keep up the cause, I know I will. God Bless, Pam

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:05:40 -0800
pb@sanfranciscobay.com
From: "John Springer" <john@digitalmx.com>
Subject: cops

Here's my experience in Campbell: http://www.digitalmx.com/john/dui/cpd.html

John Springer---- <http://www.digitalmx.com/john>

Think Different. You might find something great!

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:51:15 -0800
From: "S. Cal Officer" <anon@sanfranciscobay.com>
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: response

erik, after reading your story, I admit my interest is perked. After many years and life experiences, I have come to learn that there are always two sides to a story. While I am dubious about some of your statements about the initial contact with the police, and I can easily see how a lay person with no understanding of law enforcement may call your version abuse, I COMPLETELY SEE AND AGREE THAT WHAT OCCURRED WHILE YOU WERE IN CUSTODY COULD HAVE, AND MOST PROBABLY DID HAPPEN! Please believe me when I say that the law enforcement profession is a truly honorable and self sacrficing one. But there are IMPOSTERS. I suspect that you may have encountered one or more. Let me give you some advise. First, find out about police work at the street cop level...as much as you can. This may include going on ride alongs, talking to officers from every agency you can, and reading. At least this will give you at least a start and a perspective. Next, if you really feel you have wronged, (and I believe you have, otherwise you would'nt being going to all this trouble) DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET SOMEONE TO TAKE YOUR CASE. Let me take this oportunity to apologize for what happened to you. Please remember that Police Officers are fathers, brothers, friends, and husbands too. That dosen't excuse unprofessional conduct. The majority of cops got into law enforcement to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. You honor REAL police officers by speaking out against unprofessional conduct. Also remember, that cops are sometimes the victims of dishonrable, and unscrupulous police administrators that try to cover up their own misconduct. Remember: a righteous man is his own defense. Keep up the fight, don't let your story go untold into the night. You see, I am a Police Officer (18 years) and still working. I am also a victim of Police abuse....From a orange county agency, I BELIEVE YOU. Should you care to respond to this letter, I'm on my wifes' computer, so respond to the address. P.S. if you want to go on a ride along.....let me know.

God bless.

This officer has asked to remain anonymous. If you wish to respond to him please send an E-mail to anon@sanfranciscobay.com with "S. Cal officer" in the subject line and I will forward your message to him.

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:55:05 -0500
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com
From: Chris Schwarz <chris@intown.net>
Subject: "I Fought The Law And The Law Won"

Dear Erik,

After having read your story and other people's cruel responses to it, I felt compelled to reach out and send you a letter of support.

When I ventured to read people's responses to your unfortunate experience with a crooked officer, or more accurately, several crooked officers (the old adage "There's strength in numbers" certainly seems to holds true when dealing with corrupt KKKops!),
I simply couldn't believe my eyes! At first I was shocked and dismayed to see so many hateful, resentful messages sent your way for *SIMPLY* posting your side of the story.

And to think - some people actually had the stupidity and the unabashed idiocy to *BLAME* you for what happened (like it was your fault!), providing weak explanations in defense of the law enforcement officers such as "You probably deserved to get your ass kicked, man!" or "You were drinking and your friend put his hand on the gear!" (like that justifies a severe beating at the hands of bullies in blue!). But then I realized that a lot of the letters were sent by law enforcement officers themselves who don't appreciate your "dirtying" their profession or reputation. Surprise, surprise! That explains the hate and resentment.

Other letters were sent to you by right-wing fascist Nazi assholes or conversative yuppy shitheads who live in rich neighborhoods with their heads up their asses. Well, that explains the blame. What a sad bunch of uninformed fucks! Whatever happened to you that fateful day was not because of anything you said or did wrong. What happened to you to you that fateful day was because a bully with a badge (a few of them, actually) didn't get the last chocolate glazed donut and decided to take it out on you - via *EXCESSIVE FORCE*.

I guess the sad fucks who posted you and blamed you for what happened don't realize that there is such a thing. Anyway, even if you did or said something wrong, that certainly would not warrant a *SEVERE BEATING* like the one you received! There's a difference between arresting and subdueing an individual and arresting and unreasonably hurting or even killing an individual. People don't seem to want to acknowledge police brutality or the fact that it happens, but it does. More than we know. For every case like yours that's reported or exposed, think of how many others that are lost in the shuffle or silenced. And you didn't even take legal action against the pig who dealt you the bad blow ... literally.

People who point the finger at you and cast the blame on you are ignorant and lost in their little T.V. worlds. Blaming the victim is always wrong -- whether it's for police brutality or rape or whatever. A lot of victims have to put up with bullshit finger-pointing and intimidation and the it's-your-fault mentality when they report incidents of police brutality (and other injustices) against them that it's really no wonder why a lot of victims choose not to come forward and remain in the background. That has to stop. Speaking out against police brutality must be encouraged not comdemned, and I commend you for having the courage to do so in the face of all the negativity, threats, intimidation, etc. DON'T BACK DOWN!!!

P.S. I am not saying that all cops are bad, which, for some reason, is what people think you're saying when you discuss bad/corrupt police officers. I understand that cops take a lot of shit for the work they do, but if they don't like their job - GET A FUCKING NEW ONE! It's not that hard. Also, I understand that sometimes the cop(s) is not always at fault. In tight, tense situations people panic and sometimes something bad comes out of that. Our society is a violent society, and cops are a part of society. They get caught up in what goes in too. However, that doesn't excuse police brutality. Cops have power and responsibility, and if they can't handle each one accordingly they should find a new job. Real quick. The fact of the matter is that police brutality exists, it's here, and it isn't going anywhere. Web pages like yours, Erik, are vital to spreading information about police brutality and bringing people together for a cause - hopefully bringing about change, which is what needs to be done. Your web page serves a purpose, unlike all of the complainers who send you bullshit e-mail. Keep it up.

To the people who blame Erik: FUCK YOU! Wait until one day when you're the victim and no one believes your story or blames you for what happened. Who are you going to turn to then? Yeah, that's right. The same people you blamed and judged and treated like shit. People like Erik. Just wait until you find yourself on the other end of things ...

FUCK POLICE BRUTALITY!

Chris chris@intown.net (e-mail me if you have a bitch with me, anybody!)

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:36:53 +0000
From: Earl and Laura Amos <cop137@cruzio.com>
To: erik-pb@sanfranciscobay.com Subject: yourcase

While I am sure your case was difficult for you to handle, your story leaves a little bit to be desired. As usual you leave BIG gaps in the story, and as usual, it seems as if you have a hard time grasping the reality of a situation as it happens. When I say as usual, I mean you like most others who complain about the police dont tell the whole event impartially.

Next time tell the whole story and cooperate when you are contacted by the police, I am sure you will find the contact pleasant and safe. The police are here for your protection.

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From: GunRunr1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:44:06 -0500 (EST)
To: pb@sanfranciscobay.com
Subject: Comment

I must say I have found your web site most interesting....... At first I suspected that you were the stereotypical weekend drunk that is the proverbial pain in every cops ass. However, It is not my place to say whether you have provided all of your viewers with the whole truth, rather I might comment on some of the rediculous assumptions made by you and others who chose to respond. First, although police brutality does exist lets keep things in perspective, it does not run rampant throughout law enforcement. Police officers tend to be a direct reflection of the society that produced them, in actuality an above average "model" citizen is empowered by the public through scrutinizing tests. Bottom line being the general characterization of a law enforcement officer is that which is desired by society as a whole. Within every society exists a number of subcultures, operating outside of the social norms. These behavioral sociopaths are typically the ones who are "victimized" by the "bad cop". One of your self proclaimed "educated" respondents claimed that police officers are under-educated , ironically misspelling several words in his response. Believe it or not there are alot of us "pigs" who are genuinely concerned with public service, providing a community service that the people want. I do realize that regardless of how well I perform my duties there will always exist an element in the social order that has an extreme disdain for what I do......oh well.

Mike